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Moon and Parker are below average NBA starters

Posted by Arsenalist on October 11, 2008

No longer does it have to end with Bosh, O’Neal and Bargnani. Krish Humphries is now part of the “Big Four” that Sam Mitchell will be relying on for muscle. A strong training camp and a couple good preseason games later Humphries is feeling good about his new heavier frame which he isn’t shy to throw around. He seems to have cracked the rotation and maybe this time around he’ll stick. At the same time I wouldn’t put it past Mitchell to play him for 10 games in a row only to be given December off. Managing player expectations and playing time was a problem for us last year but to Humphries’ credit he didn’t complain even though it looked like he had a right to. In other news he shaved his head which is a bit sad because I dug the newer Hump model, it had a serious air to it which said “Don’t mess with me or I”ll drive my station-wagon right through your living room”.

Steve Nash is already looking for his next pay cheque and a logical choice are the Raptors. As he grows older (34 right now) the list of suitors will start to decline along with his play and that’s where the Raptors come into the picture. Nostalgic heart-warming feeling aside I can’t see the Raptors using their $25M in cap space on a 36 year old (although they did sign Olajuwon). That’s a logical line of thinking until you consider the “box-office impact” Nash could have on the franchise and the number of black jerseys he’d sell. Since the first goal of this organization is to run a profitable business I wouldn’t be shocked if they do it, although the signing will come about 5 years too late.

Back to the current roster and the most suspect position happens to be the swingman spot which has been a problem since the last three seasons. Starting Jamario Moon and Anthony Parker on a roster speaks volumes about the depth of the team but it looks like we’re going to have to make-do with what we’ve got. Neither Moon or Parker are NBA starters and look stretched playing their roles last year. We’re going to be out-talented at those positions on a nightly basis and are looking to scrape by based on what we feel is an advantage at our other two positions – PF and C. I’m not sure things work that way, having a balanced starting five where everyone can hold their own seems to work more often than having two above-average and two below-average players in the lineup.

The traditional off-guard is supposed to be your go-to guy in clutch situations and is relied on to provide key scoring but Parker’s 12.4 PPG (good for 19th amongst SG’s) is hardly what you call a scoring punch. Combine this with Jamario Moon’s meager offensive game and you realize they’re not exactly a potent threat. Below average actually and susceptible to offensive droughts which we know can kill teams in the post-season and if that’s the season that this team is supposedly built for, these two will have to have phenomenal years for us to be successful (whatever that measure is). Of course we could always acquire help at the trade deadline but Colangelo hasn’t shown an urgency to boost his team the last two seasons so there’s no reason to think he’ll do it now, unless of course there’s pressure from the top.

I could talk about the lack of bench-depth again but frankly speaking I’ll just wait for the regular season before we analyze Will Solomon and Hassan Adams any further.

There’s a look back at training camp in Carleton and some of the things that went behind organizing the event and a few thoughts from someone who was at the intra-squad game.

Minor trade last night – Pacers sending Shawne Williams to Dallas for what is left of Eddie Jones.

Have a nice Saturday.

9 Responses to “Moon and Parker are below average NBA starters”

  1. FAQ said

    Moon and Parker are obviously “stopgap” players until the team can be rebuilt in the image of BC. It’s no use deluding that they can provide the Raptors with anything more than they have shown .. they cannot ‘grow’ any further and what you see is what you got.

    The next ‘wave’ of Raptors hinges on the performances of Humphries and Bargnani .. and maybe Ukic too. If these guys don’t step up this season, the Raptors will be bringing in another batch of ‘players’ through trades. The Raptors cannot perpetually be bringing in 5-6 marginal players each season and hoping something will happen. Shit happens …. and that’s about it.

    Nash should retire, because I don’t want to look at him laying on the court to save his bum back. If Raptors take a flyer on him, I and many others will be very angry at the exploitative MLSE.

  2. Dave said

    I think Jamario Moon can still improve.

    Moon only has what 80 games on his belt and clearly he’s still learning how to perfect his duties as a role player. More experience (at the NBA level) will help him learn how he’s most effective and how to stay within those limitations …. plus he can add to his game particularly on the defensive end and his jump shot. I think Moon can still improve. He’s not going to be a star, but he can become a better role player.

    At Parker’s stage of his career it looks like it’s more a matter of maintaining his abilities.

  3. PapiJulio said

    Hmmm… an new season, another new start for the Raps fans out there. I really hope Sam develops some set plays with this group instead of his ‘run & gun’ and quick subs.

    The starting line-up will get us through start of season, but I ‘also’ think Moon’s SF position needs to be addressed. Players can loosely guard Moon & provide double team help. Moon has to establish a reputation of driving the ball to the net along with his shot. This will force defenders to think twice before leaving Moon to double someone. But…. I’m not counting on Moon’s ability to develop a shoot at 31yrs. Colangelo needs to get us an early Christmas present. A starting SF. This also means we’ll trade either Moon OR Kapono. I like Moon off the bench… but the Three Point Champ gets first crack. So Moon either gets buried or traded. Moon better ‘Shit OR Get Off The Pot!”

    Is Sam going to pit ‘Graham & Humphries’ against each other for the PF off the bench. I’d rather keep a new lean Humphries that willing to leave it all on the Floor instead of a Joey “Thinks He’s A Star” Graham. Humphries biggest problem last year was he ‘hit the wall’ too quick. Lets see what a leaner Humphries can do. Trade ‘Moon & Graham’ Plus…. For that early Christmas present Colangelo.

    Papi… reporting from the cottage…. ahhhhhh… The Bruce!

  4. Cam said

    EVERY NBA finalist in the past 10 years had a good wing player who can win you the games in the clutch. Kobe, Ginobili, T. Parker, Pierce, Ray Allen, Hamilton, Billups, D-Wade, Jason Terry, Josh Howard. This is the difference between us being contenders and pretenders. Can you imagine facing a team like the Lakers in the finals and having Jamario Moon as our best perimeter defender??!! Kobe would AVERAGE 50+ points against us!!! This Raptors team desperately needs a 18+ ppg swingman who’s not afraid to shoot the ball in the clutch.

  5. fluxland said

    Moon is not 31 he’s 28. FYI, Julio

  6. FAQ said

    Moon is a goon .. and I didn’t like his game at all last year. He’s an oddity and only there because Sam thought the guy could step up and follow in Sam’s footsteps. You can’t run plays through him because he has a low bball IQ for high level NBA playmaking. Just accept that Moon is a dud and could not play for any other NBA team on a regular basis. Of course he is a tribal honking fan favourite because he gives them instant gratification and they relate to his mediocrity and can fantacize over him.

    There’s not that much intellectual bball talent out there … but raw talent can overcome ignorance. It’s a complex game and not many players are that smart to be able to play it at a higher intellectual level. Bball players are no great minds and they tend to have mental lapses when put under the stress of play .. and that’s why you see coaches yelling their heads off trying to wake up players who just don’t know where they are and what to do. If you’ve ever played higher level bball and had to go through say a double overtime, you will know what I am talking about … your exhausted brain and body go to mush and you become an instinctive bball animal.

  7. khandor said

    re: There’s not that much intellectual bball talent out there … but raw talent can overcome ignorance. It’s a complex game and not many players are that smart to be able to play it at a higher intellectual level. Bball players are no great minds and they tend to have mental lapses when put under the stress of play .. and that’s why you see coaches yelling their heads off trying to wake up players who just don’t know where they are and what to do.

    A prime example ^^^^ of ridiculous, stereotypical thinking.

    re: If you’ve ever played higher level bball and had to go through say a double overtime, you will know what I am talking about … your exhausted brain and body go to mush and you become an instinctive bball animal.

    This is simply not the case for authentically talented elite level basketball players.

    Maybe … for someone with a brain and body like the original writer but … not for the very best players in the world. :-)

  8. FAQ said

    khandor attacks me, and then supports my position when he states:

    “This is simply not the case for authentically talented elite level basketball players.”

    In effect he/she acknowledges that only “talented elite level basketball players” can play at the highest intellectual level … and as everybody knows, there are not that many of those great talents in the NBA. Most NBA players are role players and struggle to even play their roles effectively, because they are flawed.

    How many NBA players perform consistently at a high level not requiring the coach to continually shout to them from the bench?

    Okay, I didn’t play professional bball, but I did play at the university level, briefly. I was not an elite player …..

  9. khandor said

    1. A player who is in the NBA is authentically talented, despite what it might look like to those who do not see the talent this player has in the first place.

    2. There was no attack on anyone in what I wrote in my prior comment.

    3. What I said in my prior comment did not ‘support’ either of the two quotations referenced in that message, despite what some might like to think.

    4. Whether or not a NBA player gets yelled at regularly is not necessarily connected with the level of that players bball IQ, or his level of intelligence, in general.

    5. IMO, those who might think that ‘most’ NBA players aren’t ‘smart’ to begin with … reveal more about themselves, when they make such a remark, than they do about NBA players, in general.

    6. In general, I am not a fan of stereotyping.

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